There has been much debate over the 2nd amendment
and the associated issue of gun control. It is a very complicated subject and both sides have ample supporting evidence for their polar positions.
One of the rationales for those
opposed to gun control is the issue of guns and implied right to overthrow a
tyrannical government. I am going to focus on that aspect in this blog.
Interestingly a civilian rebellion was a contributing factor to the strengthening of
the role of the Federal Government during the formation of our country.
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One such attempted overthrow was the Shay’s Rebellion in 1786. It was an armed uprising that took place
in central and western Massachusetts. If
the founding fathers were all in favor of encouraging the citizenry to rebel
whenever they felt the government was veering towards tyranny they surely would
not have squashed the uprising. The rebellion was named after Daniel
Shays, a veteran of the American Revolutionary War and one of the rebel leaders. The rebellion was rooted in financial
difficulties brought about by a post-Revolutionary war economic depression, a
credit squeeze caused by a lack of hard currency, and fiscally harsh government
policies instituted to solve the state's debt problems. Interestingly, a “militia”
raised as a private army by the government to defeat the rebels.
The rebellion was seen a sign of weakness of the fledgling
federal government which operated under the Articles of Confederation. The Articles established the United States of America as a confederation of sovereign states and served as its first constitution. Using logic commonly used today - it was the constitution before there was a U.S.Constitution. The Articles framework was considered a weak government by many nationalists (Federalists). It is believed that the Shay’s rebellion
played a role in convincing anti-federalists to support the ratification of the U.S. Constitution. The Constitution provided for a strong Federal government.
Now we all know what is contained in the Second Amendment.
“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.".
“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.".
A little longer than the modified statement we more often hear. The truncated
version of the slogan is used by the NRA and is carved over the door of their main headquarters.
“The Right of the People to Keep and Bear Arms Shall Not Be Infringed.”
The NRA modified the original slogan not only be leaving out a key part of the amendment (A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free state) but they capitalized letters adding emphasis where there was none. The phrase and intent of the missing section of the 2nd amendment is fodder for another blog. Let's just continue with armed revolutions against the federal government.
“The Right of the People to Keep and Bear Arms Shall Not Be Infringed.”
The NRA modified the original slogan not only be leaving out a key part of the amendment (A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free state) but they capitalized letters adding emphasis where there was none. The phrase and intent of the missing section of the 2nd amendment is fodder for another blog. Let's just continue with armed revolutions against the federal government.
For those who believe that the founding fathers wanted to
make sure that the populace had the legal footing to overthrow government through
violent means might be interested to see how that was generally greeted.
Interestingly most people who led rebellions against the federal government generally ended up in prison or put to death. If they were really lucky the rebellions were
named after them.
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John Brown was an American abolitionist who wanted to
overthrow slavery. During 1856 in Kansas, Brown commanded forces at the Battle
of Black Jack and the Battle of Osawatomie. Brown's followers also killed five
pro-slavery supporters at Pottawatomie. In 1859, Brown led an unsuccessful raid
on the federal armory at Harpers Ferry that ended with his capture. Brown's
trial resulted in his conviction and a sentence of death by hanging. John got a song named after him.
Bacon's Rebellion was an armed rebellion in 1676 by Virginia settlers led by Nathaniel Bacon. The colony's lightly organized frontier political culture combined with accumulating grievances, especially regarding Indian attacks. The rebellion was suppressed by government troops. Ever since men have been in love with Bacon.
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The Whiskey Rebellion was a tax protest in the United States
beginning in 1791. In Western Pennsylvania, protesters used violence and
intimidation to prevent federal officials from collecting the tax. President
George Washington responded with 13,000 militia provided by the governors of
Virginia, Maryland, New Jersey, and Pennsylvania. Washington rode at the head
of an army to suppress the insurgency. The rebels all went home before the
arrival of the army, and there was no confrontation. I am pretty sure there was alot of drinking involved so I am surprised no one got killed.
The Whiskey Rebellion demonstrated that the new national
government had the willingness and ability to suppress violent resistance to
its laws.
I am not seeing the founding father's wishes for chaos of revolution against a democratic society.
I am not seeing the founding father's wishes for chaos of revolution against a democratic society.
There have been other rebellions that ended up with pretty
much the same outcomes; Nat Turner's Rebellion, the Wounded Knee incident, the
Pennsylvania Mutiny of 1783 and The Anti-Rent War to name a few.
There was even a was a rebellion against the selective service draft during WWI - the Green Corn Rebellion. They were so cool they even had a manifesto.
"Now is the time to rebel against this war with
Germany, boys. Boys, get together and don't go. Rich man's war. Poor man's
fight. The war is over with Germany if you don't go and J.P. Morgan & Co.
is lost. Their great speculation is the only cause of the war."
So we have had a couple of rebellions and pretty much people just got hung for their part it in. Now there was one more rebellion but for the moment the
details escape me. Something about the war of Northern Aggression or some silly
name like that.....
It seems that it can not be truly known what the founding fathers intended. Much has been written on both sides of the debate. The early government had a fear of standing armies. They considered armies like the British had to be oppressors. Some believe that the 2nd amendment is for the right and establishment of militias (i.e State Police) to be the protective force for the country.
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Even f the founding fathers believed in the individual’s rights to bear arms. Certainly they could not have imagined a world with 30 bullet clips and automated weapons that can make one person a deadly killing machine. That schools, malls and theaters would become slaughterhouses. Even
Perhaps with a tip of the hat to the founding fathers the resolution can be is that you can have all the muskets you want.
It doesn't seem likely that we will ever find common ground. Personally I believe in citizen’s right to own guns (at least some guns). They should be registered (just like we do for cars) and have to undergo background checks (like we do for certain occupations who have access to potentially dangerous materials). Maybe just to keep it simple you can have all the muskets you want.
Fine as ever, Mr. C.
ReplyDeleteEagerly awaiting part 2, regarding the well-regulated militias that haven't yet come to pass. At least, not without hoods on their heads.
You want to bear arms? Drills, baby, drills.
Good post and, like you, I don't see an easy solution to the problem. I hate to say that the cost of being an American is that well over 100,000 people/year are killed or injured by guns. But that looks to be the case. We have 300 million guns floating around and some pretty strong lobbying groups supporting gun ownership. I guess the best that we can hope for is to not be a statistic and to hope Wayne LaPierre is.
ReplyDeleteMarkS - thanks for the kind words and the great tie in to the right's mantra.
ReplyDeleteMedina64 - as you have pointed out in the past - 300 million guns and no reasonable solution.
what we do have going for us is the majority of people believe in some form of gun control. a journey of a thousand mile......
The 2nd Amendment also did not specifically want this right limited to militia use, but for hunting, and to protect one's own life - i.e., a basic right to life. But do we need a Constitution to tell us that? Isn't the "right of life.." so obvious that it may even be considered .. "self-evident".
ReplyDeleteLike most, you take the comfortable step of agreeing in principal but not in practice. As long as everyone is armed only with what you're comfortable with - then it's ok, But more than that is too much, but then what about someone else that is more comfortable with much less? It's not the government's decision to tell someone "how" much and "what" weapons they need to protect and defend themselves and their families. This is a personal matter and god-given right. It's the "flag burning" argument all over again. You either believe in one's right to life and ability to protect themselves and their family as needed, or you don't.
Besides. There is no direct relationship between increase/decrease of guns and gun related homicide except at the extremes (i.e., gin violence clearly increases when guns are taken out the hands of law abiding citizens).
ReplyDeleteOne point Medina - maybe we would would have a better solution if our government wasn't giving guns to known drug cartels and then hiding ..sorry "Executive Order" ... over the evidence.
Face it - Obama has no interest in solving the gun issue, just in making it a political issue he can raise taxes for. He's a lying - at whatever cost to win the political argument - selfish - greedy - devisive - spendaholic.
I love that book in the post the picture is amazing. Now I do not believe that the book really exsists but its a great idea who ever it was that came up with it.
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ReplyDeleteThis discussion is old, but to make one quick comment - just because the govt. had control over the best military in the world and could previously shut down any rebellion does NOT mean the right to bear arms to overthrow a tyrannical govt. is not the correct interpretation.
ReplyDeleteDue to poor wording and placement of the ","s, people have argued whether it is the right of the individual to bear arms for purposes other than to establish a militia. So this is the first source I see that argues that the 2nd amendment may not even provide a right to bear arms for the purposes of establishing a militia - which it clearly does.